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[livejournal.com profile] voz_latina suggests a boycott of feministing and feministe for their absolutely terrible treatment of trans issues. I highly doubt many of you read those blogs, but here we are anyway.

Date: 2009-04-10 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
I've never followed Feministing, on account of it being WWS yawnsville, and I haven't read Feministe in ages. Did piny leave?

Date: 2009-04-10 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
not a clue. i haven't read those much since the great blowup last year. they are pretty irrelevant to my view of feminism at the mo'.

Date: 2009-04-10 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
I found Feministe useful when I was in college, but it turns out I was a pretty fucking clueless middle-class white girl in college. This isn't necessarily a slam at Feministe, since it served a 101 purpose for me at the time, but it's a sign of the systemic problems that the big feminist blogs are pretty much white, straight, cis, and middle-class.

Date: 2009-04-10 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
they did serve that for me as well, until I located better food for thought.

Date: 2009-04-10 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
piny is still there. We have been talking about it.

But, that place will never be safe.

Don't even get me started on the imagery of a wite gurl brandishing a riot shotgun, the kind used for "dynamic entry" like the cops do in poc neighborhoods

Date: 2009-04-10 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
Don't even get me started on the imagery of a wite gurl brandishing a riot shotgun, the kind used for "dynamic entry" like the cops do in poc neighborhoods

Thats what that things is???

Oh privilege and ignorance!!!!

Date: 2009-04-10 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Yeah, the pistol grip is a feature of police/riot shotguns.

L'il Miss is totally going to break her nose on the recoil if she pulls the trigger, though.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
it also helps to aim the damn thing, too :D


lucky for us she has more gun than brains, huh

Date: 2009-04-10 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
I remember when some right-wing bloggers were making a fuss over how the Feministe logo was violent, and I was like "screw that, the problem is that the kid isn't showing any weapon discipline."

Date: 2009-04-10 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
I kno rt?

She prolly dry fires and thinks she's all cool too, and does it with other ppl's guns.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
right-wing bloggers

complaining at violent feminste logo? The same fucking ones who are now advocating sedition? Teh gun nuts? hypocrisy is too fucking tame a word for these motherfucking idiots

Date: 2009-04-10 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Whatever the right wing is accusing anyone else of doing is something they have plans of, or are already actively doing themselves.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Yep, pistol grip + short barrel + high ammo capacity = combat/riot shotgun. The short barrel makes it easier to use in close quarters, and the pistol grip allows it to be fired quickly and from a position other than at the shoulder. (Not all riot shotguns have the pistol grip, but all pistol grip shotguns are tactical--or the person who bought it is an idiot, because a pistol grip is useless for hunting or sport.)

I doubt whoever made the logo knew any of this, and probably picked the pistol grip because it would be easier to 'shop into the girl's hand.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
which takes us rt back to privilege, the ability to appropriate imagery with no freaking clue as to how it affects ppl.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
What, it's just an ironic picture of a cute little girl with a gun. WHY ARE ALL POC SO SENSITIVE?

*cries pure crystalline white woman tears*

Date: 2009-04-10 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
*bottles pure crystalline white woman tears and heads off to sell to go towards school fees*

Date: 2009-04-10 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Woo, I'm helping! Best ally evar!

Date: 2009-04-10 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
*feels sick and scared* What teh fucking HELL????

Date: 2009-04-10 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
wow...looks like more work to do! talking about the paramilitarization of police forces, and how that messes with posse comitatus, and what it means for poc communities.

basically, the cops are soldier wannabes, and buy oodles of this shit to use in poc neighborhoods. And the military is not supposed to fuck with civilians

This is how they get around it, that and posse comitatus is long dead.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Oh god, SWAT/"urban tactical" units are filled with the most violent power-tripping assholes on the police force. The cops who are at least trying to be decent stay on the beat or try for detective. The complete fucking psychos end up in SWAT. Combine that with the institutional racism... *shudder*

yesah

Date: 2009-04-10 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
these types even scare the rt wing gun nuts...

waaay too much testosterone for me.

Date: 2009-04-10 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kadath.livejournal.com
Thanks for the info.

Date: 2009-04-10 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_yggdrasil/
Don't read those blogs since they've got a pretty darn narrow view of feminism, but thanks for the reminder. "Men in women's bathrooms"? Ugh.

Date: 2009-04-10 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
I know, right? Ke-rist!

Date: 2009-04-10 05:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shewhohashope.livejournal.com
I could never handle feministing (RAGE), but feministe was occasionally okay when I managed to drop in. Ah, well.

Date: 2009-04-10 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
Feministe is better than feministing. objectively. But there are some seriosu issues there.

Date: 2009-04-10 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polymexina.livejournal.com
posted to hathor.

Date: 2009-04-10 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
thank you.:)

Date: 2009-04-11 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troubleinchina.livejournal.com
Ah, now I know what was going on. :(

Thank you for posting about this.

Date: 2009-04-13 03:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-29 11:12 am (UTC)
ext_6366: Red haired, dark skinned, lollipop girl (Default)
From: [identity profile] the-willow.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
Just wait till 2010. 2008 was Minority Women. 2009 is Transgendered Women. 2010 will be Disabled Women. Save your strength for then. They're on some kind of schedule.

Date: 2009-04-29 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] troubleinchina.livejournal.com
I have no doubt of this. We're beginning to kick up a fuss, after all.
*hug*

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