But of course he does. I mean really. You surely didn't expect him to listen calmly and carefully and intelligently examine how his biases make the book sound like entertainment for the KKK would you?
Reading some of the comments there (I clicked on both links, omg), I think the idea is that she used honey (by bees) as lube.
Ghastly as it is.
I read some of the Xanth novels, and remember the 'humans as cows' story from Ellison's anthology, but gave up on him fairly early in the Xanth series as the fixation on panties got more and more obscene--well before this kind of crap. Thank heavens.
The manly male hero stumbles into an alternate universe in which some human beings are "bred" and used as animals (as far as I recall, everybody is white, i.e. it's default whiteness) by other humans, literally, he finds himself in a barn in which the inhabitants are humans who have been raised in sensory deprivation tanks or something. He pretends to be a farm hand: he's assigned to take a young 'heifer' (I'm fairly sure the names are animal names) to the 'bull.' (He has sex with her himself on the way--she's so in heat she's rubbing all over him, but it doesn't mean much because she's so physically changed). There's a milking machine, I think. The women/cows are physically changed (huge breasts); the male/bull has a huge (wait for it) penis. None of them have speech because, as we see near the end, he's given a newborn baby whose hands are bound and tongue is slit to put in a sensory deprivation kind of tank (impression is that there's a breeding program PLUS sensory deprivation and no education)--but he grabs baby BOY and gets back to his timeline, and finds himself in a barn with a bunch of cow/cows, meditates on morality. I read the story over thirty years ago, but the appalling details are rather horrifyingly clear.
That's more or less it, although for extra EWWWWWW HELL NAW there's a lot of attention paid to the teenage-cow-girl's resemblance to the sexually-frustrated narrator's hottie bosslady who won't give him the time of day. And don't forget the smug little author's notes about how he was deliberately trying to be shocking to make a point about animal rights and vegetarianism! Because gosh, we wouldn't want anyone to get distracted by how all the lovingly detailed descriptions of naked, mindless, horny women with ridiculously exaggerated breasts comes across exactly like really specialized fetish porn.
OMG that booju post is so wtf-worthy, it killed some brain cells to read that scenario alone.
Also - I have never read Piers Anthony, but...from reading the comments, his books are intended for adolescents/teenagers/young adults? UM. WHAT. HOW HAS HE NOT BEEN ARRESTED, I MEAN. AMERICANS WILL BAN A DICTIONARY BUT ARE OKAY WITH GRAPHIC VICTIM-BLAMING PEDOPHILIA?? I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. :(
I know exactly right, like. Let's see: a book about two women falling in love; or one where a 5 year-old girl describes being raped and claiming she likes in in front of judge and jury. HMMM THE LATTER ONE IS CLEARLY MORALLY BETTER, I MEAN. WOMEN FALLING IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER? THAT'S PERVERTED.
Read some of the Xanth stuff decades ago, before they took over (now I understand his surprising popularity).
They were shelves in the sf section: they weren't and aren't to be found in YA sections (which are separate in US bookstores).
But there is the general sense that sf is for adolescents (cultural attitude in the US), and the cover art of his (that I recall) are all comic-booky, and many of the protagonists are adolescent/YA (apparently he wrote younger after I stopped reading), so yeah, I'd imagine people would assume they were ok.
But probably because they never read the stuff--I quit reading after half a dozen Xanth or so ones because the fixation on women's panties was, frankly, creeping me out.
But there is the general sense that sf is for adolescents (cultural attitude in the US), and the cover art of his (that I recall) are all comic-booky, and many of the protagonists are adolescent/YA (apparently he wrote younger after I stopped reading), so yeah, I'd imagine people would assume they were ok.
OH, yeah okay - that makes more sense to me. Not intended for kids; but like with cartoons, parents seem to believe that anything illustrated = 100% child-friendly.
I quit reading after half a dozen Xanth or so ones because the fixation on women's panties was, frankly, creeping me out.
Hmmmmyeah. Clearly, many other people aren't creeped out, given this author's popularity? Which suddenly explains a lot about the general skeevy atmospheres of sci-fi gatherings.
Clearly, many other people aren't creeped out, given this author's popularity? Which suddenly explains a lot about the general skeevy atmospheres of sci-fi gatherings. Clearly I should stick to Wiscon then?
EEEE this'll be my first time going to Wiscon, this year! SHALL I SEE YOU THERE? Then we can perv over LGBT fiction together, like the dirty, dirty pervs we are! XD
The 'skeevy atmosphere' is something that I've experienced a fair bit, and now I refuse to go to some of the larger regional SF cons in my area. Hi - I go to discuss issues in SF/F, not to be stared at and/or treated as a curiosity.
And the booju post reminded me of this middle class clueless white idgit who was telling me that poor people were lazy people and why didn't they save for retirement and have 401ks. At which point i had to school the ignoramus on the subject of what wages are like. *headdesk* I dont suppose I should be surprised. Popular entertainment on tv only focuses on middle class and rich people, except to point out poor people as irresponsible charity needing poverty struck one dimensional idiots.
I mean to say! She can just get to an online pharmacy! Sign up for programs! Leave work early! Don't pay a bill! Go homeless if she has to!!!! (The mind BOGGLES at that one in particular.) SHE SHOULD HAVE MADE IT WORK!
That was the first I saw of the community, and what I saw made me want to vomit.
She should have "done whatever was necessary." Like sell herself, and get arrested and go to jail and be blamed for being a bad woman. Or sell drugs and get arrested and go to jail and be blamed for being a bad woman. Or be at two or three jobs and never home with her kid like a good mom and be blamed for being a bad woman.
I got about three comments into the Booju post before I had to close it in disgust. Though, I did see that you bravely entered into the fray. Good luck.
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:01 pm (UTC)more piers anthony madness
http://hradzka.livejournal.com/392471.html?thread=1856791#t1856791
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:06 pm (UTC)PEOPLE BOUGHT THAT SHIT???????????
OMFG????????????????
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:08 pm (UTC)Piers Anthony flips out all over the places over the idea that the books has skeevy race issues. ONLY RACISTS THINK THAT.
RACISTS WITH HONEY
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:24 pm (UTC)Ghastly as it is.
I read some of the Xanth novels, and remember the 'humans as cows' story from Ellison's anthology, but gave up on him fairly early in the Xanth series as the fixation on panties got more and more obscene--well before this kind of crap. Thank heavens.
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Date: 2010-01-27 09:33 pm (UTC)no subject
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The manly male hero stumbles into an alternate universe in which some human beings are "bred" and used as animals (as far as I recall, everybody is white, i.e. it's default whiteness) by other humans, literally, he finds himself in a barn in which the inhabitants are humans who have been raised in sensory deprivation tanks or something. He pretends to be a farm hand: he's assigned to take a young 'heifer' (I'm fairly sure the names are animal names) to the 'bull.' (He has sex with her himself on the way--she's so in heat she's rubbing all over him, but it doesn't mean much because she's so physically changed). There's a milking machine, I think. The women/cows are physically changed (huge breasts); the male/bull has a huge (wait for it) penis. None of them have speech because, as we see near the end, he's given a newborn baby whose hands are bound and tongue is slit to put in a sensory deprivation kind of tank (impression is that there's a breeding program PLUS sensory deprivation and no education)--but he grabs baby BOY and gets back to his timeline, and finds himself in a barn with a bunch of cow/cows, meditates on morality. I read the story over thirty years ago, but the appalling details are rather horrifyingly clear.
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Date: 2010-01-27 10:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-28 02:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-28 02:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:49 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 09:49 pm (UTC)My lunch was too yummy for you to be trying to get me to vomit it back up.
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:21 pm (UTC)Also - I have never read Piers Anthony, but...from reading the comments, his books are intended for adolescents/teenagers/young adults? UM. WHAT. HOW HAS HE NOT BEEN ARRESTED, I MEAN. AMERICANS WILL BAN A DICTIONARY BUT ARE OKAY WITH GRAPHIC VICTIM-BLAMING PEDOPHILIA?? I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. :(
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:25 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:35 pm (UTC)*headdesks massively*
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:28 pm (UTC)They were shelves in the sf section: they weren't and aren't to be found in YA sections (which are separate in US bookstores).
But there is the general sense that sf is for adolescents (cultural attitude in the US), and the cover art of his (that I recall) are all comic-booky, and many of the protagonists are adolescent/YA (apparently he wrote younger after I stopped reading), so yeah, I'd imagine people would assume they were ok.
But probably because they never read the stuff--I quit reading after half a dozen Xanth or so ones because the fixation on women's panties was, frankly, creeping me out.
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:39 pm (UTC)OH, yeah okay - that makes more sense to me. Not intended for kids; but like with cartoons, parents seem to believe that anything illustrated = 100% child-friendly.
I quit reading after half a dozen Xanth or so ones because the fixation on women's panties was, frankly, creeping me out.
Hmmmmyeah. Clearly, many other people aren't creeped out, given this author's popularity? Which suddenly explains a lot about the general skeevy atmospheres of sci-fi gatherings.
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:43 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:48 pm (UTC)AWESOME TIMES YAY
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:57 pm (UTC)and giggling.
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 09:31 pm (UTC)muahahaa!
Oh wait, I forgot. I am SRS BSNS always.
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Date: 2010-01-27 10:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-29 01:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 10:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:28 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 08:25 pm (UTC)Not only the biassed scenario but the comments (many of them)! Argh!
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Date: 2010-01-27 08:33 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 10:03 pm (UTC)She should have "done whatever was necessary." Like sell herself, and get arrested and go to jail and be blamed for being a bad woman. Or sell drugs and get arrested and go to jail and be blamed for being a bad woman. Or be at two or three jobs and never home with her kid like a good mom and be blamed for being a bad woman.
asdfgdstrdfh
*flails*
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Date: 2010-01-27 09:43 pm (UTC)and started reading and went, "wtf, why i this crap on my screen?!?"
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you know why i like those kinds of questions? because the answers are so revealing about the people who answer.
you know why i hate those kinds of questions? because the answers are so revealing about the people who answer.
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Date: 2010-01-27 09:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 09:47 pm (UTC)Also WTF PIERS ANTHONY
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Date: 2010-01-28 07:27 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-27 10:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-28 02:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-01-28 02:11 pm (UTC)