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1. We've got to able to detach emotionally from our institutions and be able to admit when they are wrong. And its hard as hell. And it hurts. But it hurts the transgender population to the point that their lives can be lost as a result of this discrimination. Incite, much as I rate and respect them, is WRONG on this. This is bad.

*sigh* and why is it so hard for us to see when we are perpetuating on other people the same things we are raising cain about when they are hitting us?

Women and trans health care


and fail apparently took place here as well...


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Date: 2009-06-24 08:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com
I've been following this. Being from NOLA, I am not surprised and my sibling(gay) and I have some theories, but we are cis, so...I'm staying out of it.

Date: 2009-06-24 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
I am a cis-woman too. And I am pretty ignorant. And so I am doing some learning. But even I can see that bfp in particular is going batshit. And I get that she is emotioanlly attached to incite and all. But it looks like we cis women totally need to address this. Cause we cant be pulling these shenanigans. We totally know better.

Date: 2009-06-24 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com
NOLA has always been very invested in controlling its PoC population. Always. That's why the more genteel areas around the Garden District and the French Quarter have their own private (and armed) security patrols - to keep the wrong people from being there.

Since Katrina, there's been an obvious effort to keep poor minorities out of the city or in contained pockets of it. Of course, it's disguised as 'rebuilding'. I believe (and other relatives still there) that the attempt to get WoC to submit to sterilization for a pittance is also connected to what you see with TWOC being left out of this new clinic. They are 'acceptable casualties' in what I feel is a 'cleansing' of sorts.

I will be conspiracy theorist enough to put it in the bag with the attacks on TWOC in southern states that have gotten even less than the usual crap attention from the media/law enforcement. To me, it is a pattern of seeing who tptb will allow to be forced into a corner and ultimately out of any particular geographical area.

Nagin and Jindal are just the brown faces in place to make the actual agenda less suspect/deal with the backlash of failure.

I'll poke around to see what TWOC/TW groups are in NOLA for contact.

Date: 2009-06-24 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
but incite is supposed to be on our side. they run the clinic. how do they make a mistake this big?

Date: 2009-06-24 09:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com
Without knowing who exactly is on the board of the clinic and how they came to this decision, I can only chalk it up to cis-privilege with a 'so glad to even get this much' thrown in.

There's a lot I could say about what I *think* may be happenening, but I am not comfortable having that conversation (intra-PoC)with it having trans/cis issues tied into it, because I'm sure there are things I am missing.
Edited Date: 2009-06-24 09:21 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-25 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buria-q.livejournal.com
i'm a bit frazzled today so that might be why i'm not getting what you're getting at. the new clinic is woc-run but focusing on sterilization?

gentrification in my city is producing so much brutality and pushing twoc out of common spaces to congregate. it sounds like related bullshit is taking place with all the aggressive privatization in NOLA.


[edited for clarity]

Date: 2009-06-25 04:08 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com
No.

Some idiot in Louisiana proposed paying poor WoC (read; Black) to get sterilized while paying well to do, educated white families to have more children.

The clinic issue is seperate, but part of a pattern of marginalizing WoC, both cis and Trans.

Date: 2009-06-30 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
Just so you know, trans people are forcibly sterilized in most places in the world.

Its the price of legal recognition for many of us.

Forcibly sterilized, or go without without documentation. Some, like me, live with both consequences.

Date: 2009-07-01 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unusualmusic.livejournal.com
That is so fucked up! I...cannot believe how good humans are at coming up with ways and means to oppress other humans. God, we are so bloody inventive at being complete and utter evil.

Date: 2009-07-01 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voz-latina.livejournal.com
yes, yes we are.

We are very creative at deflecting criticism for it, too. Anything to keep on keeping on doing the same BS over and over.

sighs..I can remember when Texas passed the prohibition on involuntary sterilization in 1978. And ppl found a way around it.

It never protected trans women, tho.

same old same old.

Date: 2009-07-01 06:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] delux-vivens.livejournal.com
There's been a white woman traveling the country giving poor women who are addicted to drugs $$ for sterilization for quite a while now. Or rather, poor women who say they are addicted to drugs. With an emphasis on areas w/ woc. They dont do addiction treatment or anything though.

She's not racist, though, b/c she's married to a black man. And adopts black children. Only meanies say otherwise.

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