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Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
Really?
Barbara Ehrenrich on Sen.Clinton's church...
The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes – knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:
During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
At the heart of the Family’s American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family’s spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family’s young women’s group. And, at the Family’s frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.
*Blink*
Seriously? Um, if we are gonna scream at a Black Pastor for saying that America has done some less than righteous things, it would be helpful for supposedly liberal American politicians to NOT have close relations with people who have done said unrighteous things. (It would also help for our gov't to AVOID DOING SAID UNRIGHTEOUS THINGS, but that's another matter.
Why are her alledged ties to these fundamentalist groups so important?
Learning from the Cultural Conservatives by Sara Robinson
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
My issue is this. As an atheist, I'd prefer to not have relgion in politics at all. Thats not gonna happen anytime soon, so my next bet is to want a liberal version of Christinity in power. As far as I can tell from the articles that I've seen so far, and based viewing the full Rev. Wright videos, whereas Rev. Wright says out loud that it is wrong to do hurt other people and the world and preaches black pride and self-esteem, this Fellowship thingy seems to think that Neo-Nazis and murderous dictators are cool people to deal with. Not good. I would really love the rest of teh news media to jump in and vet this whole thing VERY thoroughly, cause I really need to be sure that I won't be looking to emigrate to avoid an American Theocracy, thank you.
I also find it inexcusable for Sen. Cl,inton to be representing herself as a great feminist that will be for women's rights, and yet she sponsors a bill that has detrimental effects on a woman's right to choose and that basically allows people to refuse to do their jobs based on their religous views. I vehemently submit that if a job involves stuff that offends your relgious beliefs, then it is incumbent upon you to NOT TAKE THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE. That to me should be the position of every Democrat. After all, we are supposed to be an alternative to the Republicans, and although both candidates are insufficiently liberal for my taste, it's a hell of a warning klaxon in my mind when conservatives run around saying "Oh yeah, she's one of us!" Makes me queasy and reminds me of the long line of women leaders that prove that electing a woman is not a guarantee that women's rights will be respected and protected. And no, I'm not saying that Obama is anywhere as good on this issue as I want him to be. The difference is that Obama seems to listen when concerns are brought to him. Sen. Clinton doesn't give me the impression that she won't capitulate more towards the rightwing when push comes to shove. And that scares me. At the very least, I would wish to have a clarifying statement, similar to Obama's from her. Joe Liebermann is MORE than enough for the Democratic Party, and I am very reluctant to have to deal with anyone that may be worse, thanks a lot.
Links provided and post inspired by Brad Hicks article on the issue
Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.
Really?
Barbara Ehrenrich on Sen.Clinton's church...
The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes – knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:
During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
At the heart of the Family’s American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family’s spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family’s young women’s group. And, at the Family’s frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.
*Blink*
Seriously? Um, if we are gonna scream at a Black Pastor for saying that America has done some less than righteous things, it would be helpful for supposedly liberal American politicians to NOT have close relations with people who have done said unrighteous things. (It would also help for our gov't to AVOID DOING SAID UNRIGHTEOUS THINGS, but that's another matter.
Why are her alledged ties to these fundamentalist groups so important?
Learning from the Cultural Conservatives by Sara Robinson
Part One
Part Two
Part Three
My issue is this. As an atheist, I'd prefer to not have relgion in politics at all. Thats not gonna happen anytime soon, so my next bet is to want a liberal version of Christinity in power. As far as I can tell from the articles that I've seen so far, and based viewing the full Rev. Wright videos, whereas Rev. Wright says out loud that it is wrong to do hurt other people and the world and preaches black pride and self-esteem, this Fellowship thingy seems to think that Neo-Nazis and murderous dictators are cool people to deal with. Not good. I would really love the rest of teh news media to jump in and vet this whole thing VERY thoroughly, cause I really need to be sure that I won't be looking to emigrate to avoid an American Theocracy, thank you.
I also find it inexcusable for Sen. Cl,inton to be representing herself as a great feminist that will be for women's rights, and yet she sponsors a bill that has detrimental effects on a woman's right to choose and that basically allows people to refuse to do their jobs based on their religous views. I vehemently submit that if a job involves stuff that offends your relgious beliefs, then it is incumbent upon you to NOT TAKE THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE. That to me should be the position of every Democrat. After all, we are supposed to be an alternative to the Republicans, and although both candidates are insufficiently liberal for my taste, it's a hell of a warning klaxon in my mind when conservatives run around saying "Oh yeah, she's one of us!" Makes me queasy and reminds me of the long line of women leaders that prove that electing a woman is not a guarantee that women's rights will be respected and protected. And no, I'm not saying that Obama is anywhere as good on this issue as I want him to be. The difference is that Obama seems to listen when concerns are brought to him. Sen. Clinton doesn't give me the impression that she won't capitulate more towards the rightwing when push comes to shove. And that scares me. At the very least, I would wish to have a clarifying statement, similar to Obama's from her. Joe Liebermann is MORE than enough for the Democratic Party, and I am very reluctant to have to deal with anyone that may be worse, thanks a lot.
Links provided and post inspired by Brad Hicks article on the issue
