Feb. 2nd, 2008

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As you can see, I was wallowing in the goodness that is this blogger tonight.

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2007/08/a-self-referent.html


A Self-Referential Game of Twister: What Religion Looks Like From the Outside

(Quick explanation: I've been in some frustrating debates with religious believers lately -- one in particular -- and it seems like the point-by-point squabbles have been missing the point. This piece is an attempt to step back from that, and look at the whole disagreement from a larger perspective.)
Here's the thing, Rev. Cawley. I'm not dying to continue the point-counterpoint debate on the points you raised.
Cross_in_the_sky_2Instead, I want to step back for a moment and give you an idea of what your arguments sound like to someone who isn't already a Christian. Not just to someone who's a pretty convinced atheist, but to someone who doesn't know what they think one way or another, who's looking at different religious beliefs and deciding what to think. You seem to be at least somewhat sincere about wanting to understand non-believers, and I want to give you, and other believers, an idea of what religion -- and religious apologetics -- looks like to us.

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Biblefire_3When it comes to some Bible verses (such as the ones about hell), you say, "These shouldn't be taken literally. You have to see them in context: the context of the times, the context of Jesus's other teachings, etc. It's a mistake to interpret them too literally."

But when it comes to other verses, you say, "Look, how wonderful! The divine word of God! Isn't it inspiring?"

Bible_book_of_isaiah_2Similarly, when there are factual things that the Bible got right, you say, "Look how accurate it is! It's clearly a trustworthy source!" But when faced with Biblical inaccuracies and inconsistencies, again you say, "It's a mistake to take the Bible too literally."

Cherrybranch_2This is what non-believers call cherry-picking. And it drives us nuts.

Here's why. You obviously can make a case for why your interpretation is the right one, why you're correct about which verses to take literally and which not to. The problem is this: When I -- and other atheists and non-believers and even just non-Christians -- hear these kinds of interpretations and apologetics, you have to understand that we've heard dozens of them before. Possibly hundreds.
From people who are just as convinced as you are that their version is the right one, and who have equally extensive arguments to support their positions.
And all these versions are different.

In some cases, radically and wildly different, and completely in opposition to one another.

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Feb. 2nd, 2008 08:22 pm
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Title: You meet your soulmate in the strangest places
Author: The Zot
Story Type: Gay romance (Adults)
My rating: 4/5
Further Comment: It's sweet and well-written. One of my favorites.
Location: http://thezot.gayauthors.org/soulmate.html

Title: Two Bodies
Author: Matthew Haldeman
Story Type: Gay Romance (College Kids)
My ratings:5/5
Further Comment: Is number one on my list of great short stories on the net. The sex was erotic and the characters were well-drawn.
Location: http://matthewhaldemantime.com/1/twobodies.html

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